CARLIER X PLANTE (ou THOMSON), Dunkerque Options

[bhowell]

Hello,

I have been searching for a few months now and I desperately need some help. I told my aunt I would find out who her great, great grandparents were and I just keep coming up with dead ends. As she is nearing 102 in June, I want to get this info for her as soon as I can.

The info I do have (from a family member) is this:

Henry Emile Carlier (1817-1875) Born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, France.
He married Louise Renee Plante (1821-1878) in 1838 in Belgium. She too born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, Fr. They had three children:

1) George Emile Carlier - (1839-1852) died when he was 13.
2) Dr. Arthur Emile Carlier (1841-1880) studied at University of Paris and became a surgeon. Came to US in late 1860's. He married Ida Mae (Close) Carlier and lived in Ohio. He traveled around northern Ohio into Pennsylvania practicing medicine. It was said that he would work at a cheese factory from time to time when he was low on funds and used that for medical supplies. He was called to Toledo, OH for at a consultation when he had a stroke and died. He was buried in Toledo.
3) Emily Louise Carlier - (1843-1874) no other info for her.

Arthur had three children, George Emile, Sr. was one of them and he was my grandfather. His son was George Emile Carlier, Jr., my dad.

The biggest problem is that I don't know what region in Belgium they were from and I don't know where to begin looking. Any suggestions regarding where I might go for information, would be greatly appreciated. Since I am on a very limited income, I cannot pay to join the various websites. Other spellings might be Carlior, Charlier, Carler,

Thank you so much for any suggestions,
BHowell

Ce message a été modifié par dlarchet - 05/05/2012 à 23:24.

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[cfacon]

Hi Bonnie, bonjour à tous,

Unfortunately, for the time being nothing more about the subject.

You asked a question about Dunkirk cemetery. As far as I know there was only one cemetery at that time for Dunkirk. Regarding a possible list of people buried in the cemetery you have to consider the following:
In France, before 1793 the registers were in charge of the church and they were not speaking about birth but baptism and burial instead of death, unchanged for marriage. Generally, they used to bury people in the cemetery of the church and sometimes inside the church.
Then the Sépultures (Burial) register gives the list you are looking for.

From 1793, registers are in charge of the State officers located in the City House. It is the reason why such registers are established for Birth, Marriage and Death without the idea of religious event.
By experience I know that cemeteries have their own registers to keep tracability of people buried there : who, when, where in the cemetery.

Regarding the other question related to people died in a place and buried in another place. It is not really frequent, except if you died where you were not living (for instance accident). It can be also the case when transfered to another place to be buried with your ancestors our family if space is available in the burial vault.

Back to your search, according to whar you explained, Arthur died and was buried at Toledo in 1880. Have you the corresponding death record, it might contain some interesting informations such as birth place. Have you tried to find the marriage record CARLIER x CLOSE ?

Have a nice day
Christian

[cdubrulle]

You asked a question about Dunkirk cemetery. As far as I know there was only one cemetery at that time for Dunkirk.
By experience I know that cemeteries have their own registers to keep track of people buried there : who, when, where in the cemetery.

Regarding the other question related to people died in a place and buried in another place. It is not really frequent, except if you died where you were not living (for instance accident). It can be also the case when transfered to another place to be buried with your ancestors our family if space is available in the burial vault.
Christian

Bonjour à tous et toutes,
En relisant les messages de cette file, l’information fournie par Bonnie et l’information que nous avons trouvée ou pas trouvée, il semble difficile pour le moment de vérifier la naissance de Arthur CARLIER en Belgique et son mariage aux US

D’aprés le journal de Arthur, ses parents sont:
Henri Emile CARLIER (1817-1875) né et décédé en Belgique, enterré à Dunkerque
x 1738 Belgique
avec Louise Renée PLANTE (1821-1878) née et décédée en Belgique, enterré à Dunkerque

Il me semble que la principale énigme, et la chose qui pourrait être vérifiée sur ce forum est la suivante: Sont-ils enterrés à Dunkerque ainsi que 2 de leurs enfants, comme l’écrit leur fils Arthur dans son journal? Si oui, est-ce que le cimetière de Dunkerque a encore de l’information sur ce couple dans leurs dossiers? noms, prénoms, dates, etc..
Si quelqu’un sur le forum habite Dunkerque, serait-il possible de faire cette recherche? Ce serait une aide fantastique pour confirmer ou au contraire nous remettre sur une autre piste.
Merci d’avance pour Bonnie
Christiane

TRANSLATION for BONNIE
After re-reading the messages on this subject, the information from Bonnie and the information we found or did not find, it seems difficult for the moment to verify the birth of Arthur CARLIER in Belgium and his marriage in the US

According to Arthur’s journal, his parents are:
Henri Emile CARLIER (1817-1875) born and deceased in Belgium, buried in Dunkirk
x 1738 Belgium
with Louise Renée PLANTE (1821-1878) born and deceased in Belgium, buried in Dunkirk

It seems that the main enigma, and the thing that could be verified on this forum is the following: Were they buried in Dunkirk’ cemetery with 2 of their children, as their son Arthur wrote in his journal? If so, does the Dunkirk’s cemetery has information on this couple still in their file? Names, first names, dates, etc...
If a member of the forum lives in Dunkirk, would it be possible to do that research? It would be a fantastic help, either to confirm or to lead us on another track
Thank you in advance for Bonnie,
Christiane

[cverhaeghe]

Bonjour Christiane, bonjour Bonnie, bonjour à toutes et tous,

Je me suis rendu cet après-midi au cimetière principale de Dunkerque afin d'essayer de vous aider (je réside à 1500 m de celui-ci).
Le service administratif du cimetière détient des registres depuis 1835 (avec forcément des lacunes et des oublis ....).
Nous n'avons pas trouvé trace de l'inhumation éventuelle du couple CARLIER-PLANTE, après avoir parcouru les registres de 1875 à 1880.

Cependant :
1) Il faut savoir que les sépultures ne sont connues que par les noms de leurs propriétaires.
2) Que tous les rapatriements de corps pour inhumation, ne sont pas forcément enregistrés à cette époque m'a-t-on dit !!
3) Il faudrait consulter les autres registres après 1880, au cas ou les corps auraient été rapatriés après cette année.
4) Il y a d'autres cimetières sur le dunkerquois, comme ceux de Malo-les-bains, Rosendael ou encore Petite-Synthe ....

Il faudrait continuer les (nos) recherches en Belgique pour trouver les lieux exacts de naissance et de décès de ce couple.

Cordialement,

Ce message a été modifié par cverhaeghe - 07/06/2012 à 15:15.