CARLIER X PLANTE (ou THOMSON), Dunkerque Options

[bhowell]

Hello,

I have been searching for a few months now and I desperately need some help. I told my aunt I would find out who her great, great grandparents were and I just keep coming up with dead ends. As she is nearing 102 in June, I want to get this info for her as soon as I can.

The info I do have (from a family member) is this:

Henry Emile Carlier (1817-1875) Born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, France.
He married Louise Renee Plante (1821-1878) in 1838 in Belgium. She too born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, Fr. They had three children:

1) George Emile Carlier - (1839-1852) died when he was 13.
2) Dr. Arthur Emile Carlier (1841-1880) studied at University of Paris and became a surgeon. Came to US in late 1860's. He married Ida Mae (Close) Carlier and lived in Ohio. He traveled around northern Ohio into Pennsylvania practicing medicine. It was said that he would work at a cheese factory from time to time when he was low on funds and used that for medical supplies. He was called to Toledo, OH for at a consultation when he had a stroke and died. He was buried in Toledo.
3) Emily Louise Carlier - (1843-1874) no other info for her.

Arthur had three children, George Emile, Sr. was one of them and he was my grandfather. His son was George Emile Carlier, Jr., my dad.

The biggest problem is that I don't know what region in Belgium they were from and I don't know where to begin looking. Any suggestions regarding where I might go for information, would be greatly appreciated. Since I am on a very limited income, I cannot pay to join the various websites. Other spellings might be Carlior, Charlier, Carler,

Thank you so much for any suggestions,
BHowell

Ce message a été modifié par dlarchet - 05/05/2012 à 23:24.

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[cdubrulle]

Hi Bonnie,
In genealogy, we have to start with a generation for which we have solid information, (parents or grandparents) and find records that establish relationships with the next one.
My message # 35 contained the link to the image of the marriage record of your grandparents Georges Emile CARLIER x Anna SPINK on March 4, 1900 in Montgomery County, OH, with the names of their parents. That's a solid source of information and yesterday at the Family History Center we tried to find more information about the couple and their parents. Unfortunately, there is very little about Arthur.

So here is what we found:
Source: Ohio Deaths records 1908-1953
Georges Emile CARLIER
b: 6 October 1875 Erie, PA
d: July 4, 1941 Dayton, OH.
Occupation: Sheet Metal worker.
Age at death: 65y 8m 28d
Father: Arthur CARLIER - birth place: PA
Mother: Ida CLOSE - birth place: OH
Spouse: Anna E. CARLIER ( we know her maiden name was SPINK)

We found a WW1 Draft Registration for Georges Emile CARLIER
b: 6 October 1875
It's very difficult to read the image but it seems to say that he was a clerk
He has brown hair and brown eyes and there is the mention that he had a bad right eye.

Source: 1880 U.S. Census in Ohio
We find the family CARLIER living in Sullivan, Ashland County, OH
The household includes:
Head of the household: Newel CLOSE and Sarah CLOSE (parents of Ida)
Ida .C. CARLIER, 29, - born in 1851 in Ohio - does light work
Georges N.E. CARLIER 4 years old, born in PA (your grandfather)
Maud CARLIER 3 years old, born in PA
No Arthur CARLIER living there. I assume he died before the census which was done in June 1880.

We also find another Arthur CARLIER in Henrietta, Lorain County, Ohio
born in 1835 in France, 45 years old
"Married" but no spouse named
Works as a servant in a cheese factory and as a servant in the household of Dudley Cole, 41 years old
Dudley Cole is married and has 3 young children. No one else in the household
It seems unlikely that a doctor would work as a servant.

We already know that George get married in 1900 with Annie (or Anna) SPINK
Now here is his sister Maud CARLIER
[u]Source: Ohio Marriage records 1789-1994[/u]
Frank T. MONKS x Maud CARLIER married 3 October 1896 in Wood County, Ohio
Parents are not named.
Here is a link to the image of the record:
http://www.gennpdc.net/lesforums/index.php...i&img=30531

Source: Ohio Deaths records 1908-1953
Maud MONKS born 20 February 1877 in Pennsylvania
died 25 April 1924 in Lima, Allen County, Ohio in the City hospital
Father: Arthur CARLIER born in France
Mother: Ida CLOSE born in Ohio
Spouse Frank T. MONKS

While searching the CARLIER name, by chance, I found:
Source: California Death Index 1940-1997 and SS index
Ruth Muriel FINK
born 21 November 1907 Ohio died 19 janvier 1988 in Fresno, CA
father: CARLIER Mother SPINK
Last residence: Coarsegold, Madera County, CA.
She must be one of your aunts

Source: Ohio Deaths records 1908-1953
Ida May CARLIER
born 1906 in Dayton, OH, died 4 November 1906 in Mad River, Montgomery, Ohio
Father: George CARLIER Mother: Anna SPINK

Source: Ohio Obituary Index
We found the obituary of one CARLIER
Arthur CARLIER, 40 years old, died February 25, 1881 in Sandusky, Ohio
It is not 1880 in Toledo, and there is no mention of his wife's name to be sure it is the same Arthur CARLIER. With so little info. it could be someone else.
We did not find any marriage record and death records of Arthur CARLIER and his wife Ida CLOSE, even using other spellings. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

In the records we found about his children, George and Maud, there is no reference to Arthur being a doctor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
We also searched for a marriage CARLIER x PLANTE in Belgium. No results. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
It does not mean it did not happen, it can mean that records have not yet been indexed and put on genealogy websites. CARLIER is a very common name in France, so what we have is not enough to persue a search in France. Arthur's journal seems to be the key to finding more about him and his parents.

The volunteers at the Family History Center made a good suggestion. If Arthur CARLIER was a doctor, he must have had some assets such as land, a house, his medical equipment, maybe horses, etc... So after his death there would have been a probate in Ohio. If he died in Toledo, the probate would have been recorded in Lucas County. They tell me that probates can contain quite a bit of information about the family of the deceased, and are worth looking into for genealogy purposes. Ohio probates are on microfilms. By going to the Family History Center of your area (there are many such centers in North Carolina) the volunteers would be able to figure out on which microfilm to find it. Renting a microfilm for 2 months is $ 8.00. Spending a few hours looking at it in a Family History Center seems worth the time and expense.

Of course, if I find something else I will post it. Good read.
Christiane