LECAT, Boulogne Options

[sevans]

Hi, I'm told this is something to do with the marriage of marie sophie (blanch?) lecat. I only have a copy of the document and it is very old, some of the words are missing. I also do not know much french so it is very difficult for me to make out much of it. This is what I've been able to make out so far.. I'm wondering if anybody who has a good knowledge of english would be able to translate it for me, and possibly fill in a few blanks.. I'm not sure all the letters are right as it's really difficult for me to make them out but any help would be greatly appreciated. sarah.


L'as mil .... cent saix ante dex sept janviere a dex haures du matin, frare devant .... soussigne' victor jacopies, adjoint delagree .... du meaire dela ville de boulogne sur mere , ... lieu s'arrouissment, department du pas de calais, ant comparee louis primeux, commissionnaire ...de cinquante ..rois ans auguste vassal, jardinier ... crente crois ans, cous deux demeurant en ectte ... vaius ins du apres nomme, les quels user ant ... que Louis Hyppolite Cleophas Lecat cailleure ...eurant a boulogne, ne a bazingham (pas de calais) ... 'decinquante deux ans, epoux de eleonore briguet ...agere, agee de cinquante crois ans, fils de feus hyppolite lecat & genevieve vasseure, jan epouse, ...ee ede frier vingt janvier a anzaheures & demice du ... eu jan domicile, rue du pat d etans 29 ; de ...nous nous jomm es ass ure'. apries leeture, les .. parants out signe'.

...; vassal Ate brimeux, v jacques
Pour extrait cauforme delime 'le breize... , mil luit cent quatre vingtanze
Le .. aire de bologne

[mdesmolin]

Hi sarah,

Difficult to give you the true version but it's difficult without the scan of the document
I try to fill the blanks
L'an mil huit cent soixante douze le vingt et un janvier a deux heures du matin, par devant nous soussigne' victor jacopies, adjoint delégue .... du maire de la ville de boulogne sur mer , chef lieu d'arrondissment, departement du pas de calais, sont comparu louis PRIMEUX, commissionnaire âgé de cinquante trois ans auguste VASSAL, jardinier âgé de trente trois ans, tous deux demeurant en cette commune voisins du ci apres nomme, les quels ont... que Louis Hyppolite Cleophas Lecat tailleur demeurant a boulogne, ne a bazinghem (pas de calais) âgé de cinquante deux ans, epoux de eleonore briguet ...agere, agee de cinquante trois ans, fils de feus hyppolite lecat & genevieve vasseur, jan epouse, ...ee ede frier vingt janvier a onze heures & demi du soir en son domicile, rue du pat d etans 29 ; de ...nous nous sommes assure'. apres lecture, les .. parents ont signe'.

...; vassal Ate brimeux, v jacques
Pour extrait conforme delivré 'le treize... , mil huit cent quatre vingt onze
Le maire de bologne

And I try to translate the most important words, but excuse my bad english
Town hall of Boulogne sur Mer
1872 21st of january death of Louis Hyppolite Cleophas LECAT taylor born in Bazinghen, he is 52, he is the son of dead Hyppolite LECAT and dead Geneviève VASSEUR. He is dead on 20th January 11h30 PM
His wife is BRIGUET Eléonore, she is 53.
louis PRIMEUX and auguste VASSAL are neighbours

I hope someone will help better than I

Marcelle

[pjanicaud]

Hi Sarah,
I don't think it has anything to do with the marriage of Marie Sophie LECAT.
It looks like the death certificate of a Louis Hyppolite ?? LECAT husband of Eleonore BRIGUET, aged 52
who was born in Bazinghem, son of Hyppolite LECAT and Geneviève VASSEUR, both deceased.
That death has been recorded in Boulogne on 21st Januray 1877.
Hope this helps
Regards
Philippe From Sydney (Australia)

Ce message a été modifié par dlarchet - 30/09/2011 à 15:54.

[pgeneau]

Bonjour à tous, Hi Sarah

Dans les tables décennales en ligne, on trouve à Bazinghen le mariage d'Antoine Hippolite LECAT x Marie Antoinette VASSEUR le 15.2.1820, la naissance de Louis Marie Hippolite LECAT le 3.6.1820 et celle de Louis Hippolyte Cleophas LECAT le 21.3.1824.

In the 10 years tables of Bazinghen (on line at the Archives of Pas de Calais),we can find the marriage LECAT x VASSEUR 15.2.1820, the birth of Louis Marie Hippolite LECAT 3.6.1820, the birth of Louis Hippolite Cleophas LECAT 21.3.1824.

Kind regards
Pierre

Ce message a été modifié par pgeneau - 30/09/2011 à 15:33.

[† mahamy]

Bonjour Pierre ,J'ai d'autres éléments , je vous laisse le plaisir de continuer mon "anglais" est limité . Bien à vous Marcel

[sevans]

Thank you so much everyone for your help, I am very grateful.

I have found some more information on the Lecat's in the census, but I am having a little difficulty reading understanding some of it. I would be very grateful to anyone who would be able to help with that.

Once again, thank you for all your help. Sarah.

[vlecuyer]

Hi Sarah,

I have found some more information on the Lecat's in the census, but I am having a little difficulty reading understanding some of it. I would be very grateful to anyone who would be able to help with that.

it would be with great pleasure. Are these documents online somewhere ? Or maybe could you download them in our Gallery and let us help you to read and translate them ?

Are you talking about pictures from the archinoe site (online archives) ? If so, please note and paste here the reference of the pictures (town, year, page, etc) so we can easily find them.

Kind regards,
Vince

[sevans]

It would be really helpful if you could translate this for me, just a rough guide would do. Thank you very much.

http://www.archinoe.net/cg62v2/visualiseur...su_4&page=1

[vlecuyer]

Hi Sarah,

http://www.archinoe.net/cg62v2/visualiseur...su_4&page=1

as you can see by yourself, the link above is dead.
The reason is that it is linked (with a cookie I presume) to your own computer and limited to a short period of time. It is useless for anyone else than yourself, and for anybody including you after a couple of minutes. I think that the purpose is to avoid sites and bots to automate the consultation.

The only way to keep a track of the picture is by its references : town, year, page in the visualizer, just as I suggested in my message #7 above. Anyone who would like to look at the same picture has to go all through those references again. It is not possible just by an "http" link.

Have a nice sunday and read you soon,
Vince

[sevans]

Ah, sorry about that.
http://www.archivespasdecalais.fr/Archives-en-ligne

M4005 Boulogne-Sur-Mer. - Recensement de population des sections 1, 2, 3, 4 et 5 : liste nominative. 1861
Page 1

I find I'm in need of the first page, I'm trying to understand the professions, and what the first 3 categories mean (the numbers before the names).. they are quite different to the English census I am so used to looking through. Also, is there any better way to search? I have been looking through the whole document for names, which is fairly easy when I'm looking at the census for Bazinghen, a mere 9 pages long, but Boulogne-Sur-Mer is about to 1000 pages long, I'm only 100 pages in!

Thanks for your help! Sarah.

[vlecuyer]

Hi again Sarah,

the 3 numbers you are talking about are, in that order :
3. the # of the house
4. the # of the family in the house
5. the # of the individual in the family

The 2 first columns contain :
1. the district in the city/town
2. the street or place in the district

The professions are in the column #8. If one is difficult for you to understand, ask here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) .

Some words about the columns 9 to 14 : they qualify each person with a "1" in the appropriate column :
9. male
10. married (man)
11. widower (man)
12. female
13. married (woman)
14. widow (woman)

Vince

[sevans]

That's brilliant! Thank you.

I'm having trouble with this one..
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n531/L...087/census2.jpg

Am I right in thinking "menagere" is housewife?

Thanks

[vlecuyer]

Am I right in thinking "menagere" is housewife?

You are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nickel.gif)

On the picture : "Elève pensionnaire" = student in a boarding school.
The 2 symbols below are a shortcut for "idem" : the 2 next persons are "Elève pensionnaire" too.

Vince

[sevans]

Ah.. that makes sense! Thank you.

[sevans]

Would you please take a look at this for me? The top one looks like tailleur? But I can't make out the others.
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n531/L...7/translate.jpg
Thank you very much
Sarah

Ce message a été modifié par sevans - 02/10/2011 à 21:08.

[vlecuyer]

The top one looks like tailleur?

You're right :
. "Tailleur" = tailor
. "La femme Repasseuse" = the wife ironer
. "Leur fils ??? travail" (assuming "pas de travail"...) = their son not working
. "idem idem" = all the same for the other son

You're very welcome,
Vince

[pgeneau]

Hi Sarah,

What new about your LECAT family ?

On the death certificate of Louis Hippolyte Cleophas LECAT in 1877, there was an interesting information: he lived 29 rue du pot d'étain (pewter pot st). I looked at the census of 1872, section 1 to 4, p 235, and found the family:
LECAT Louis, tailor, 48, born in Bazinghen
TRIQUET Eleonore, his wife, journeywoman, 48, born in Boulogne
LECAT Marie, daughter, ironer, 17
LECAT Adèle, daughter, seamstress, 15
LECAT Arthur, son, cooper's apprentice, 13
LECAT Octave, son, 12
LECAT Louise, daughter, 9
LECAT Rose, daughter, 7
LECAT Sophie, daughter, 4
All the children were born in Boulogne

The last child is probably Marie Sophie Blanche LECAT, born 14.4.1868, you were looking for.

Best regards
Pierre

[sevans]

This is exactly what I was looking for, thank you very much!
I can follow the Lecat's from 1820 through to 1878 in the census. I know Marie Sophie Blanche Lecat married an Englishman - Hugh Tannahill Meehan, but I don't know weather they married in France or England, and when they moved to England. It would have been some time between 1877 and 1894. I have no evidence that any of Marie's family also moved to England, so I am guessing it was some time after 1886. Do you have any records relating to this?

Thank you for all your help. Sarah.

Raison de l'édition : it is best to use the button "rep.rapide" thanks

[pgeneau]

Hi Sarah,

One thing is sure: the marriage MEEHAN x LECAT was not celebrated in Boulogne.

I have found a website where they speak of them:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~kmeehan/Meehan/f59.htm

The marriage is not indicated, but they had 2 children: Norah Elisabeth born 6.1.1894 and Gladwin Louis born 11.2.1896 in Erith (Dartford), Kent.
This is perhaps an interesting information for you.
Best regards
Pierre

[sevans]

Wow.. Thank you! I had not seen that website before. It has a lot of my family tree on it!
I will see if I can find a marriage for them in England. Thank you very much for your help.
Sarah