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bhowell
posté 05/05/2012 à 14:17
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Hello,

I have been searching for a few months now and I desperately need some help. I told my aunt I would find out who her great, great grandparents were and I just keep coming up with dead ends. As she is nearing 102 in June, I want to get this info for her as soon as I can.

The info I do have (from a family member) is this:

Henry Emile Carlier (1817-1875) Born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, France.
He married Louise Renee Plante (1821-1878) in 1838 in Belgium. She too born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, Fr. They had three children:

1) George Emile Carlier - (1839-1852) died when he was 13.
2) Dr. Arthur Emile Carlier (1841-1880) studied at University of Paris and became a surgeon. Came to US in late 1860's. He married Ida Mae (Close) Carlier and lived in Ohio. He traveled around northern Ohio into Pennsylvania practicing medicine. It was said that he would work at a cheese factory from time to time when he was low on funds and used that for medical supplies. He was called to Toledo, OH for at a consultation when he had a stroke and died. He was buried in Toledo.
3) Emily Louise Carlier - (1843-1874) no other info for her.

Arthur had three children, George Emile, Sr. was one of them and he was my grandfather. His son was George Emile Carlier, Jr., my dad.

The biggest problem is that I don't know what region in Belgium they were from and I don't know where to begin looking. Any suggestions regarding where I might go for information, would be greatly appreciated. Since I am on a very limited income, I cannot pay to join the various websites. Other spellings might be Carlior, Charlier, Carler,

Thank you so much for any suggestions,
BHowell

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posté 06/06/2012 à 06:48
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Wow Christiane, you've been busy... I don't know if the journal was in French or English. My guess is English because I don't know if my uncle knew French and I think he would have mentioned somewhere if he had to translate it. I know... I'm no help! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The thoughts that keep running through my head are 1) I think Henry and Louise must have had some money to be able to send Arthur to school at the University of Paris. 2) I think Arthur was well off until he got to America. I don't know the trend back then, but a doctor traveling around several states practicing medicine yet needing to work in a cheese factory to help with medical supplies seems odd to me. 3) And why would he leave his family to travel around so much? Lots of questions... And "Who Do You Think You Are" on TV makes it all look so easy! Ha! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

I have Googled all kinds of thoughts just to see if I could run across something, lots of interesting things, but none that could help ...

Thank you Christiane! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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posté 06/06/2012 à 08:17
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Citation (bhowell @ 05/06/2012 à 20:48) *
Wow Christiane, you've been busy... I don't know if the journal was in French or English. My guess is English because I don't know if my uncle knew French and I think he would have mentioned somewhere if he had to translate it. I know... I'm no help! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The thoughts that keep running through my head are 1) I think Henry and Louise must have had some money to be able to send Arthur to school at the University of Paris. 2) I think Arthur was well off until he got to America. I don't know the trend back then, but a doctor traveling around several states practicing medicine yet needing to work in a cheese factory to help with medical supplies seems odd to me. 3) And why would he leave his family to travel around so much? Lots of questions... And "Who Do You Think You Are" on TV makes it all look so easy! Ha! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Hi Bonnie,
OK, so Arthur journal’s was probably in English. Besides getting some answers, it would be interesting to see how good is english was.
You are right! A doctor needing to work as a servant in a farmer’s household and as a servant in a cheese factory ( according to the 1880 census he was doing both) does not sound right, and why would he live in another household?
The family lived in Ohio you said, but the doctor in the city directory is in Erie, Pennsylvania. There might be 2 Arthur CARLIER one in OH and one in PA.
A lot of questions... That’s why Arthur’s journal is so important. It would bring lots of answers.

At least the 1860 census and the marriage BURDICK x CLOSE in 1866 that I found, confirm what you knew. The immigration in 1867 could be Arthur but we have no proof so far.

I answered the Belgium forum saying I was trying to help you in checking what you have because you don’t speak French.
Christiane
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- bhowell   CARLIER X PLANTE (ou THOMSON)   05/05/2012 à 14:17
- - svangrootenbruelle   bonjour Bhowell, ce n'est pas PLANTE mais THO...   05/05/2012 à 15:03
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|- - bhowell   This is so wonderful! Thank you so much!   07/05/2012 à 23:42
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