CARLIER X PLANTE (ou THOMSON), Dunkerque Options

[bhowell]

Hello,

I have been searching for a few months now and I desperately need some help. I told my aunt I would find out who her great, great grandparents were and I just keep coming up with dead ends. As she is nearing 102 in June, I want to get this info for her as soon as I can.

The info I do have (from a family member) is this:

Henry Emile Carlier (1817-1875) Born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, France.
He married Louise Renee Plante (1821-1878) in 1838 in Belgium. She too born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, Fr. They had three children:

1) George Emile Carlier - (1839-1852) died when he was 13.
2) Dr. Arthur Emile Carlier (1841-1880) studied at University of Paris and became a surgeon. Came to US in late 1860's. He married Ida Mae (Close) Carlier and lived in Ohio. He traveled around northern Ohio into Pennsylvania practicing medicine. It was said that he would work at a cheese factory from time to time when he was low on funds and used that for medical supplies. He was called to Toledo, OH for at a consultation when he had a stroke and died. He was buried in Toledo.
3) Emily Louise Carlier - (1843-1874) no other info for her.

Arthur had three children, George Emile, Sr. was one of them and he was my grandfather. His son was George Emile Carlier, Jr., my dad.

The biggest problem is that I don't know what region in Belgium they were from and I don't know where to begin looking. Any suggestions regarding where I might go for information, would be greatly appreciated. Since I am on a very limited income, I cannot pay to join the various websites. Other spellings might be Carlior, Charlier, Carler,

Thank you so much for any suggestions,
BHowell

Ce message a été modifié par dlarchet - 05/05/2012 à 23:24.

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[cdubrulle]

Hi everyone, Hi Bonnie
Today I went back to the Family History Center where I can search different websites not available without a subscription, I am not searching only the LDS site, but also Ancestry.com, and their links to other websites that are not free to the public.

Immigration Index
I found Arthur CARLIER, 1867, Pennsylvania - No age. No place of origin - No mention that he is a doctor.
No way to know if it is the Arthur we are looking for, but it could be.
The source for this information is page 19 of the Erie Society for Genealogical Research, published in 1869,
The originial source for this entry is "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index 1500s-1900s " by William P. FILBY
I had consulted that book some years ago in a genealogical library for my own research, but unfortunately our FHC does not have the book.

ITSG ( Immigrant Ships Transcriber Guild)
I have seen the arrival of Arthur CARLIER on March 25, 1867 in New York on the SS Atalanta, traveling in a cabin, a sign that he was wealthy. Unfortunately, his occupation is not listed as "Doctor" but as "Gent" for gentleman, It it is consistant with the Immigration Index, but we still don’t know if it is the man we are looking for.

Census of 1860
I found Idelia ( Ida) CLOSE, 9 years old, with her parents M.I. CLOSE 39 years and Sarah CLOSE 35 years as well as the other children Jane 15, Theresa 13, and Rosa 5.
We know that the father's name is Newell CLOSE ( donc pas M.) but I have seen some original photos of the census pages and they are so badly written sometimes, that the persons who are indexing them have a hard time to figure out the names or initials. The age of the parents in this 1860 census correspond to their ages (59 and 55) when I found them in the 1880 census.

Marriage BURDICK x CLOSE
22 February 1866 marriage of Samuel C. BURDICK and Idelia CLOSE
in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. The father is N. J CLOSE and performs the marriage as a "Minister of the Gospel".
I think that Bonnie mentionned he was a Methodist Minister

I did not find any marriage CARLIER x CLOSE or CARLIER x BURDICK ( in case Ida was under her married name from her first marriage) either in Ohio or Pennsylvania, between 1865 and 1875. I chose that large margin of dates to be sure not to miss it. I am frustrated about not finding their marriage, because it can be the lead to his parents and their origin, but the index of a particular County might not be available on the net.

Erie, Pennsylvania, 1875 City Directory
I saw in the listing: Arthur CARLIER Dr. Physician and Surgeon office, with an address
This is what Bonnie was citing in a message, but we don't know if it is the right Arthur CARLIER?

I have a question for Bonnie: Since Arthur came from France or Belgium, was his journal written in English or in French?
That’s it for today
Christiane
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TRADUCTION
Bonjour à tous/toutes,
Je suis retournée au Centre Mormon où je peux faire de la rechercher sur diff'erents sites interent non accessible sans abonnement payant. Je ne cherche pas seulement sur le site LDS, mais aussi Ancestry.com et j’explore leurs liens à d'autres sites qui ne sont pas gratuits au public

Index d' immigration
J'ai trouvé Arthur CARLIER, 1867, Pennsylvania. Pas d’âge. Pas de lieu d'origine. Pas de mention qu'il est docteur
Donc pas certain que ce soit celui qu'on cherche, mais c'est possible
La source pour cette information est p. 19 d'une publication de 1869 par la Societé de Recherche Généalogique de Erie, Pennsylvannia. La source de cette publication est un livre de W. FILBY "Index des listes de Passagers et Immigration 1500-1900. J'avais consulté ce livre il y a plusieurs années dans une bibliothèque généalogique pour ma propre recherche , mais mon centre n'a pas ce livre.

ITSG ( Guilde de transcriptions des vaisseaux d'immigrants)
C'est un site qui transcrit pour chaque vaisseau, la liste des passagers arrivant aux US
Comme Christian, j'ai vu l'arrivée de Arthur CARLIER à New York le 25 mars 1867 sur le vaisseau SS Atalanta
Arthur CARLIER, 24 ans, venant d'Angleterre avec l'intention d'habiter New York - Voyage en cabine, un signe qu'il avait des moyens- la plupart des passagers voyageant dans des conditions très inférieures et sans comfort.
Son occupation ou métier n’est pas listée comme docteur, mais seulement “gent” qui voudrait dire “Gentleman” La date d’arrivée est consistante avec l’ Index d’immigration de Pennsylvania, mais nous ne savons toujours pas si c’est celui qu’on cherche.

Recensement de 1860
On y trouve Idelia (Ida) CLOSE, 9 ans, avec ses parents M.I CLOSE 39 ans et Sarah CLOSE 35 ans, et aussi leurs autres enfants Jane 15 ans, Theresa 13 ans, and Rosa 5ans.
Nous savons que le père de Ida est Newell CLOSE,( donc pas M.) mais j’ai vu des photos des pages de recensement et elles sont parfois si mal écrites, que la personne faisant l’index a du mal d’interpreter les noms ou les initiales. L’âge des parents dans ce recensement de 1860 correspond avec l’age qu’ils ont ( 59 et 55) dans le recensement de 1880 (que je cite dans message #60)

Mariage BURDICK x CLOSE
22 Février 1866 mariage de Samuel C. BURDICK x Idelia CLOSE
dans le Comté de Cuyahoga en Ohio. Le père est N. J CLOSE et c’est lui qui les marie, étant “Pasteur de l’Evangile”. Bonnie a mentionné ( message # 65) qu’il ‘était pasteur Méthodiste

Je n’ai pas trouvé de mariage CARLIER x CLOSE or CARLIER x BURDICK ( au cas ou elle se serait remariée sous son nom de premier mariage) , que ce soit en Ohio, ou en Pennsylvania entre 1865 et 1875, J’ai choisi un large fourchette de date pour ne rien manquer. C’est frustrant parce que leur mariage pourrait nous livrer les parents et leur origine. Mais il y a des Comtés qui n’ont sans doute pas encore été indexés ou postés sur le net

Erie, Pennsylvania, Annuaire de 1875
Comme le citait Bonnie, dans la liste alphabétique de cet annuaire on y trouve en effet : Arthur CARLIER Dr., docteur et chirurgien, et l’adresse à Erie. c'est ce que citait Bonnie, mais nous ne savons pas si c’est le bon Arthur.

J’ai une question pour Bonnie. Puisque Arthur était venu de France ou de Belgique, est-ce que son journal était écrit en anglais ou en français?
Voila pour aujourd’ hui. La recherche continue....
Christiane