CARLIER X PLANTE (ou THOMSON), Dunkerque Options

[bhowell]

Hello,

I have been searching for a few months now and I desperately need some help. I told my aunt I would find out who her great, great grandparents were and I just keep coming up with dead ends. As she is nearing 102 in June, I want to get this info for her as soon as I can.

The info I do have (from a family member) is this:

Henry Emile Carlier (1817-1875) Born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, France.
He married Louise Renee Plante (1821-1878) in 1838 in Belgium. She too born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, Fr. They had three children:

1) George Emile Carlier - (1839-1852) died when he was 13.
2) Dr. Arthur Emile Carlier (1841-1880) studied at University of Paris and became a surgeon. Came to US in late 1860's. He married Ida Mae (Close) Carlier and lived in Ohio. He traveled around northern Ohio into Pennsylvania practicing medicine. It was said that he would work at a cheese factory from time to time when he was low on funds and used that for medical supplies. He was called to Toledo, OH for at a consultation when he had a stroke and died. He was buried in Toledo.
3) Emily Louise Carlier - (1843-1874) no other info for her.

Arthur had three children, George Emile, Sr. was one of them and he was my grandfather. His son was George Emile Carlier, Jr., my dad.

The biggest problem is that I don't know what region in Belgium they were from and I don't know where to begin looking. Any suggestions regarding where I might go for information, would be greatly appreciated. Since I am on a very limited income, I cannot pay to join the various websites. Other spellings might be Carlior, Charlier, Carler,

Thank you so much for any suggestions,
BHowell

Ce message a été modifié par dlarchet - 05/05/2012 à 23:24.

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[bhowell]

Ha Christine... not work! It really is like detective work and I think that’s why I like doing it so much… and of course because I want to know. My aunt’s 102nd birthday is Friday and I was hoping to share some good news with her by then… but some day…

My Uncle's report (for lack of a better word) is 37 pages long and was written in July 1981. Part of it is my grandmother's side that he researched. My uncle died in 1985. He made copies for all of his brothers and sisters and their families. He also stated that the sources were from Arthur's journal, his mother's book that she had written in 1946 (which covered many events in her life from 1880's to 1946) and also letters her grandfather had received from Hull England. In conclusion, he said "These things plus family conversations which revealed facts of the past. Individual family records since 1900 were obtained from the families concerned."

On page two he wrote "Perhaps our ancestry could have been traced a few centuries further back if we had made some acquaintances earlier in life with some of the Carliers who lived in Belgium or France. We will have to accept the present information of our ancestry and perhaps, some day, someone will be able to trace the Carlier ancestry back to 1500 or even further back."

What made him say that Arthur immigrated in the late 60s. Do you have any immigration record? Do you know if he came after the end of the Civil War? He doesn't seem to be in the 1870 Federal Census
I think most info about Arthur was taken from his journal... such as when he immigrated to the US. I haven't found any immigration record for Arthur. I've only found one trip made by an Arthur Carlier and that was in 1876. I found an immigration paper for Emile Carlier, Merchant, Dunkerque July 1851. Could be Henry or Arthur? And a marriage register for Henry Emile Carlier from Kensington dated for July, Aug and Sept 1839. No bride's name.

- Do you have the precise date and place of Arthur and Ida's marriage or a copy of the record?
I don’t have copy of record… just know from my uncle’s notes. He wrote: “Arthur married Ida Mae Close (Burdick) in 1873. Ida Mae was born in 1849 in the Wellington-Sullivan, Ohio area. Died in 1882. Buried in the ‘Close Cemetery’ near New London, OH. There are only a few records of her life available.“ He also states that her father Newel Close was a minister of the Methodist Church. She had a sister named Theresa who lived in Tiffin, OH. And Dr. Arthur E Carlier and his wife lived in Mansfield, OH. Children:
Lettie Mae Born 1870 Died 1896 Buried New London, OH
Infant son Born 1874 stillborn Buried New London, OH
George Emile Born 1875 Died 1941 Buried Dayton, OH
Maude Louise Born 1877 Died 1924 Buried Belle Centre, OH”
- Is the date of their marriage in Arthur's journal? Don't know which source had this info.

Bonnie

[cdubrulle]

Hi Bonnie,
Thank you for providing some answers to my questions and a few more details. Any detail can be important, in particular dates and places.
I gather from what you wrote that your father got a copy of your uncle's report, and that you have it.. Have you been able to trace who has Arthur's journal? It would be so important to be able to get a photocopy of it.

I found an immigration paper for Emile Carlier, Merchant, Dunkerque July 1851. Could be Henry or Arthur? And a marriage register for Henry Emile Carlier from Kensington dated for July, Aug and Sept 1839. No bride's name.

Are you talking about something you found on the internet?

You say your uncle wrote “Arthur married Ida Mae Close (Burdick) in 1873. Does he say where? It would be so important to know in order to obtain a copy of that marriage record.

Tomorrow, I am going to try to look for immigration records or passenger lists.
Have you found a Family History Center in your area to search for a probate of Arthur CARLIER?

I got one message on the forum of Hainaut. In order to help, the person asks where the couple CARLIER x PLANTE died and what makes me say that their marriage was in Hainaut. Of course, I don't have the answers since you don't know which towns. The CARLIER name is very common and there are numerous CARLIER all over Belgium so I think it will be difficult to find something without being able to narrow the search down to the town.
Cheers,
Christiane