CARLIER X PLANTE (ou THOMSON), Dunkerque Options

[bhowell]

Hello,

I have been searching for a few months now and I desperately need some help. I told my aunt I would find out who her great, great grandparents were and I just keep coming up with dead ends. As she is nearing 102 in June, I want to get this info for her as soon as I can.

The info I do have (from a family member) is this:

Henry Emile Carlier (1817-1875) Born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, France.
He married Louise Renee Plante (1821-1878) in 1838 in Belgium. She too born in Belgium and buried in Dunkirk, Fr. They had three children:

1) George Emile Carlier - (1839-1852) died when he was 13.
2) Dr. Arthur Emile Carlier (1841-1880) studied at University of Paris and became a surgeon. Came to US in late 1860's. He married Ida Mae (Close) Carlier and lived in Ohio. He traveled around northern Ohio into Pennsylvania practicing medicine. It was said that he would work at a cheese factory from time to time when he was low on funds and used that for medical supplies. He was called to Toledo, OH for at a consultation when he had a stroke and died. He was buried in Toledo.
3) Emily Louise Carlier - (1843-1874) no other info for her.

Arthur had three children, George Emile, Sr. was one of them and he was my grandfather. His son was George Emile Carlier, Jr., my dad.

The biggest problem is that I don't know what region in Belgium they were from and I don't know where to begin looking. Any suggestions regarding where I might go for information, would be greatly appreciated. Since I am on a very limited income, I cannot pay to join the various websites. Other spellings might be Carlior, Charlier, Carler,

Thank you so much for any suggestions,
BHowell

Ce message a été modifié par dlarchet - 05/05/2012 à 23:24.

Raison de l'édition : rectification du titre compte tenu des apports ultérieurs

[† adecalonne]

Bonjour B...... , bonjour à tous,

Petit complément :

Jean Baptiste Louis CARLIER ° 1740 + 1788
X 29/02/1764 Bergues Saint Pierre
Marie Jacqueline Guilaine LEFEBVRE ° 1729 + 1790.

Henri Emile CARLIER avait un frère :
- Jean Joseph ° 19/04/1794 Dunkerque Nord, + en 1874 à Paris 75 Ile de France, Agent de change comme son père et courtier maritime
X 04/12/1844 avec Clémentine PERRIER ° 1802 Dunkerque, + en 1880 à Paris. dont :

Louis joseph CARLIER ° 20/03/1846 Paris, + en 1921 à Paris,
X 1872 Marguerite ARNAUDTIZON ° 1862 Le Havre Seine Maritime Normandie, + en 1908 Paris dont 4 enfants :
- Madeleine °1872 + 1958 X Charles COLLOT
- Ludovic + 1873
- Pierre Léon ° 1877 +28/09/1923? Consul général de France à Usbuk (Turquie) x Germaine BAROIS ° 1886 + 1981 dont 3 enfants
- Marianne ° 05/03/1882 Domont 95 Val d'OISE, + 06/09/1977 Lesneven 29 Finistère Bretagne, X 12/03/1903 Edmond Jules Hippolyte ALLAIN-LAUNAY ° 18/12/1878 Paris, + 17/04/1924 Domont, Ingénieur en chef à la Cie du gaz et d'électricité dont 2 enfants.......

Cordialement.

[bhowell]

Can anyone further explain the events and dates in this post? Thank you.

[cdubrulle]

Can anyone further explain the events and dates in this post? Thank you.

Hi Bhowell ( why don't you give us your first name?)
My name is Christiane, I was born in Lille, France, and I have been living in the US for 45 years. I am going to try to help you in english.

I will start here with the content of message # 2 of this thread:
I checked the death tables in Dunkerque and found Henri Emile CARLIER on September 7, 1877, spouse of THOMPSON.
By searching for the record itself in microfilm 5 mi 27 r 096 - p.913/983 at that date, I found an interesting transcription that shows that even though he was born in Dunkerque and lived there, he died in Anvers September 1, 1875. Yes, it took 2 years for the death record to be translated , transmitted, and recorded in Dunkerque, because it went through different administrations for signature.

According to the testimony of his son-in-law Charles Everett WHITEMORE, his wife was Louise Catherine THOMPSON and he was the son of Louis CARLIER deceased, and Marie FOCKEDEY deceased,
I am going to post that record in the "Galerie" of this forum and you can click on the link below to see it and save the image if you wish.
http://www.gennpdc.net/lesforums/index.php...i&img=30287
I will translate it later for you.

Stephane found the birth dates of two of the children in Dunkerque
15 May 1840 birth of Henri Emile Arthur CARLIER, son of Henri Louis CARLIER, négociant, and Louise Catherine THOMPSON ( microfilm 5 mi 27 r 036 - p.308/1084)

19 June 1846 birth of Emilie Louise CARLIER, daughter of Henri Louis CARLIER négociant, 46 years old, born in Dunkerque and of Louise Catherine THOMPSON, 37years old, born in London. ( microfilm 5 Mi 27 r 076 - p.903/12420)

I found the birth of the third one in Dunkerque
15 April 1843 birth of William Emile George CARLIER son of Henri Emile CARLIER, 42 years old, born in Dunkerque, and Louise Catherine THOMPSON, 34 years old, born in London ( microfilm 5 Mi 27 R 036 p. 931/1084)
Witnesses:
Louis Joseph CARLIER, 79 years old, grandfather of the child
Charles Louis CARLIER, 56 years old, uncle of the child.

That will be all for the moment, I will translate message # 3 in another post later
Christiane

P.S. As you will notice, on this forum we use all capital letters for the last names.
The microfilm references # are those of the Departmental Archives located in Lille and online at
http://www.archivesdepartementales.cg59.fr/

[bhowell]

Christiane, I can't thank you enough! This is so helpful. My first name is Bonnie.

[cdubrulle]

Christiane, I can't thank you enough! This is so helpful. My first name is Bonnie.

Hi Bonnie,
Here is the translation of the death record of Henri Emile CARLIER found in the Dunkerque register. It is a transcription of the record received from Antwerp, Holland, where he died. The first two paragraphs are the essential part of the record. The rest is legalese and my translation of the legal terms might be slightly off but you will get the idea…

Death record of Henri Emile CARLIER (transcription)
In 1877, 7 of September at 3:00 p.m., we, Frédéric Charles d’Arras, mayor and public officer of Civil Records of the town of Dunkerque, department of Nord, in accordance with art. 4 of the Civil Code, make the following transcription:
Kingdom of Belgium, Antwerp province, City Administration of Antwerp. Translation:
On September 2, in the year of 1875, at 3:00 pm. Record of death of Henri Emile CARLIER, no occupation, 75 years old, born in Dunkerque, department of Nord in France, domiciled there, died here on September 1 of this year at 10 p.m., spouse of Louise Catherine THOMPSON, son of deceased Louis CARLIER and deceased Marie FOCKEDEY, according to a testimony made to me by Charle Everett WHITEMORE, wholesale merchant, 35 years old, son-in-law of the deceased, and by Jean Louis (STEVENS ?), employee, 39 years old, who knew the deceased, both domiciled here. So made in double copies here, at City Hall by me, Official of the City of Antwerp, officer of Civil Records, and this after having checked the said death, and after the reading of the present document the witnesses have signed with me. Was signed C.E. WHITEMORE and L . STEVENS and A. VAN DEN NEST.
For authenticated copy, as executed in accordance with art. 80 of the Civil Code. Anvers, October 5, 1875. The Officer of Civil Records, signed VAN DEN NEST and sealed.
Reviewed by the tribunal of Antwerp for authentication of the signature of Mr. VAN DEN NEST, Antwerp October 6, 1875. Signed VAN CATEAU and sealed.
Reviewed by the Justice Department for authentication of the signature of Mr. VAN CATEAU. Brussels, February 12, 1876. The General Secretary. Signed PUTZEYS and sealed.
Reviewed for the authentication of the signature of Mr. PUTZEYS. Brussels, March 1, 1876
For the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Director, signed E. BANNING and sealed
Reviewed for the authentication of the signature of Mr. BANNING. Brussels, March 23, 1876
For the General Consul, substituted by the Chancellor. Signed Eugene CHAPAY and sealed. Paris, March 7, 1877
Reviewed by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. For the Vice-director chief of the chancellery. Signed DUBOIS and sealed
For copy authenticated at day, month, and year above

That's it.

Now, I went of the Dunkerque Archives website and I found the transcription of his marriage record in 1839 in Chelsea England. It was translated from English to French and written in the Dunkerque's records and I made a scan, but I have to read it and translate it, so it will be in the next post.
Write to you soon...
Christiane

P.S. When you answer a post, to avoid repeating a long text you can delete part of that message and keep only what is essential. In doing so, be careful to keep the "quote" word between brackets at the beginning of what your are keeping and the "/quote" word between brackets at the end. I know, it is not easy.

[bhowell]

This is so wonderful! Thank you so much!